homework6 wusiyu

on this passage.

When Delpt fitst reading Gee's passage he agreed whth muc of Gee's wote,that lieracy is much more that reading and writing als that's part of larger political entity.Gee also think all discanise are not equal in status. with this point people wos talking about.But Delpt agree whit this point.

 

There are two aspects of Gee'sarguments. the first is people have not been born in to dominant Discourses will find it exceedingly diffcult if not impossible,to acquire such a Discourse.Delpt think this is learn the "rules".The second one is Discourse with another set pf calues Gee difines this as especially pertinent.Delpt disagree with this point.He think if teachers were to adopt borh of these premises suggested by Gee's work not only would they view the acquisition of  a  new discourse in a classroom impossible to achieve.

 

The begining of literacy is very important. If students feel literacy reject them they will reject literacy first.He talk about a student's story to improve this point.

Teachers can help student make them have interest with literature also can teach them knowledge. student's interests was depend on teacher's ability if you teaching very fascinating you will make your student more love this course.

homework #6 by Yue Li

Homework #6
Yue Li

       In the book that Delpit wrote, there are opposite opinions on the points that Gee gave to us. In Gee's book, he was agree that the way to acquire literacy is much better than the way of learning, because people can acquire during life and it is like a born ability, once people remember all the literacy knowledges then it is hard to be erase. Students could learn it through the environment around them, and the way of studying will not be that boring and hard. The only weakness of acquisition is it will take a long time and many steps to finish, it is much harder than learning. 

       But in Delpit's book, the opinion about how to study has changed, he thought that the student could learn even better than acquisition if the teacher gave them the right reason to encourage them. It happened on black people and the students who does not have a good environment to grow up, maybe parents are both uneducated. The right way to teach them is to tell the students how tough the world is, and tell them the world will not always leave the door open for them if they do not work hard, the only short cut is to work hard. And there are some examples in the paragraph, like the student in medical program and the black student in the football team, they knew their situation clearly and they knew the only thing they could do was to study. Those kids found they can do great under pressure, so when they are lazy, they can just find something to encourage them, give them pressure, it is also a great way to study literature. 

       Another point is the students should develop their "own voice", they should have their own opinion about what they are writing and learning. But the opinion should have strong reasons to support, and it should not be reject all the time blindly. The teacher should treat the like the same, color and family is not the problem, they should not influence the way that teacher treat each students. So the language that the students and teachers are using is important. 

Writing Assignment No.6

According to Delpit, he disagrees with Gee in two aspects---- first, he thinks that people not born in dominant discourses can also acquire them in class settings through some specific methods and second, he believes that many people have overcome the difficult when they learn and teach a second dominant language. In order to illustrate his points of view, he cites several experiences people had in successfully overcoming the difficulty in learning or teaching a second dominant language and then became outstanding people in their career. Finally, Delpit talks about several methods teachers can take to economically disenfranchised students and students of color both to master the dominant discourses and to transform them. (P.271 paragraph 1)
In my own perspective, I stand by the side of Delpit since I am convinced that the chances to learn a second discourses should be equal to everyone, not relating to their social status.Then, I think that more and more teachers should be committed to teaching a second dominant discourse in some ways that don't opposes the students original values to avoid the students' refusing to learn.

HM#6 Chengxi Wu

Delpit disagrees with Gee’s opinion mainly in two aspects, the first one is that people who are not born into the mainstream dominant Discourse find it will be extremely hard to get into the dominant Discourse. Gee holds a notion deeply that to learn how to acquire dominant Discourse, one has to have access to those social institution which have connection to that Discourse, otherwise, forget about it. 

Considering that Gee’s idea is dangerous, Delpit overthrow Gee’s idea by examples which non-mainstream people overcoming obstacles and acquire dominant Discourse.

Like the stories of two very successful Africa American men. Clarence Cunningham, a distinguished man in his own flied, was born in a poor family and educated in an all-Africa American elementary school in 1930’s. According Gee’s view, Cunningham’s situation must be far from “dominant Discourse”, however, not only Cunningham, but most of his classmates become elites in all walks of life years later. Another person is colleague and friend of Delpit- Bill Trent, whose father, a cook, has a 8 grade education background from night-school and mother who only has 3 grade education. Also has nothing to do with dominant Discourse, Bill Trent and his many classmates achieved a lots in their life.

The second aspect which Delpit consider problematic is when a person who born into one discourse and try to acquire another discourse will experience conflicts sice the difference of values, particularly to female and minorities.

Disagree with Gee, Delpit takes Keith Gilyard as a example- it is possible for people acquire another discourse without conflicts and resistances.

Personally speaking, i agree with Delpit’s opinion instead of Gee’s. Everyone can join into dominant Discourse if he or she wants and try for that. It may be harder for minorities, but, if people are guide correctly, the possibility will steel be high. If the teachers follows Gee’s idea, it could be harder for people from other discourses to get into dominant Discourse. In the end, this society will become more and more “Gee”.

Nevertheless, the teachers follow the rules of Delpit, i believe not only will more and more people will be part of dominant Discourse but also the dominant Discourse will acquire the advantages from other Discourse.

Delpit

Delpit

I assume that Delpit’s argument/accusation towards Gee is that learning and acquiring things are based on a person’s motivation and vision for one’s goal. Parents’ or the environments they belong to are not so relevance and also teachers’ inspiration on students seems to play a significant role in their success. The students in the photo, in which the African American man had succeeded in their career even though they were in ragtag group when they were young. I strongly agree to Delpit because gaining a general oneself level is the most important thing in order to be an adult, rather by acquiring/learning discourse by literacy. Of course, reading and writing is necessary for every one, though you can learn or acquire it whenever you encounter the problem.

Delpit

Delpit disagrees with the fact that secondary discourses can not be taught by teachers or a person can not have a dominant discourses unless they acquire it at home. Delpit gives several examples about the people who were born in very poor families but then in the future they developed dominant discourses at school by their teachers. I strongly agree with Delpit about when he says The students who choose to listen to what their teachers tell the to do better, they are the ones who can develop dominant discourses outside of home.

            I agree with both Gee and Delpit. If we talk about the average population then Gee is right because Delpit is talking about individuals who have made it.

homework6

Huijun yu

Professor: Liz

WRT 103

October 4, 2013

The whole passage is the argument about GEE's opinion concerning that literacy is actually a large political entity. From GEE's perspective, the literacy means reading and writing within a set of large discourses which can be divided into primary discourse and secondary discourse. The opportunities of literacy are not equal for everybody because of different status. For the primary discourse which is the home education, the born right of kids to obtain education is various. Also, the secondary discourse which is learning attached to the institutes or groups is related to the primary discourse so that it's unequal as well.

However, the author stand in contrast that the prerequisite of GEE's viewpoint is that children cannot get the 'overtly' education and that children born in one discourse will meet the conflict when they acquire another discourse. In fact, this prerequisite is not exist. The most important meaning of the existence of the teachers is to help the children in the lower-status change their destiny.

Marge who is a girl in lower status is a excellent example to prove everyone in any status can write his or her own destiny in means of teachers' instruction. Fellowship gives Marge second chance to further the education even though she has a terrible GRE score. Through a whole year's hard works, Marge can writer better than anyone in her classroom. The lower-status cannot resist her to make the progress. If I want to give the cases like this one, the list will be going on. Teachers contribute their lifetime to ensure their student to live up to their expectations. The fact has been proved that most of the outstanding persons succeed outside their realms of power and status and have no access to the status institutes as well.

Of course, the pheromone is people of color in many cases reject the literacy and also feel the literacy reject them. However, the duty of the instructors is to try their best to reduce the possibility for them to choose 'not learn'. Like the other says:"Acquiring the ability to function in dominant discourse need not mean that one must reject one's home identity and values, for discourses are not static, but are shaped, however reluctantly, by those who participate within them and by the form of their participation' (page 271), those disenfranchised students can not only master the dominant discourses, but also transform them.

From my standpoint, I agree with the author's perspective. Everyone should have the same right to gain the equal education and thousands of people are contributing to achieve it. For example, in china, the country always provide plenty of money to the poor children so that they can further their study. In another case in china, a great deal of volunteer go to the poor place to help the students in academic area. However, equal to every is still a dream. For a instance, our international students who have the opportunities to study aboard, getting the best education in the world, is related to the economic condition, confessedly. Even though all of the students can admit into the university one day, there are still have the gap between the rich and the poor, the white and the black. But all of us will strive to achieve our dream days and nights.